Most of the elders I knew back in the 70s were quite bright, a couple extremely so. But they had been educated before they became Witnesses, and were not averse to lively discussions (in private of course) that often veered well away from “official” WT lines. There seemed to be a lot more intellectual freedom back then, at least it appears so to me from reading posts from more recent ex-JWs. Or perhaps it was just that here in England the mental straightjacket wasn’t applied so much in those days. A few of the elders in the two congregations I served in were not too bright, and their public talks were excruciatingly boring, but I would say that all of them were decent people, and I never had any trouble with them any of them when I decided to leave. I was even invited to one of the elder’s daughter’s weddings a couple of years after I had stopped attending meetings.
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Did You Know A Lot Of Elders That Simply Weren't Too Bright?
by minimus ini did.. most of the elders were decent men but i'd say a third weren't the brightest bulbs in the sky..
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A big shift in the world is about to happen......
by EndofMysteries ini don't want to deceive anyone and i have to clarify a few things so i'm sorry this is going to be a lot more vague then you want.
infact if you do not already realize or also feel something is about to happen as in the title, then move along, it will be a month or 2 before i update this.
it's not my intention to annoy anybody, i am too uncomfortable to post any details because it's too new and i need to verify things, and i am also feeling responsible to give a subtle warning, that it might be something somebody needs to see.
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EOM, at least four times on this thread you have either said or implied that you will say no more until you have worked it all out in two months or so. I respectfully suggest you keep to that, as in my very short time on this forum this seems about the most ridiculous thread I have encountered.
Fencing - I think your question is an extremely good one, but probably impossible to answer.
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Was the Watchtower Right?
by Christ Alone inthis question is for atheists and believers.
what teachings do you think the watchtower got right and why?
do you still think they are right about the trinity?
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But what do the "signs" mean? Everything they said about the signs prior to 1914 has been proven wrong by the passage of time. After the event prophecies are no prophecies at all. And that's only the tip of the iceberg, take a look here - http://www.bible.ca/Jw-Prophecy.htm
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Was the Watchtower Right?
by Christ Alone inthis question is for atheists and believers.
what teachings do you think the watchtower got right and why?
do you still think they are right about the trinity?
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They didn't get 1914 right. Everything they say now about 1914 was formulated after 1914 - apart that is, from it being the "end of the Gentile Times". And we now know that even if you accept the day for a year stuff in the application of Daniel's prophecy, they have that wrong as well.
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Was the Watchtower Right?
by Christ Alone inthis question is for atheists and believers.
what teachings do you think the watchtower got right and why?
do you still think they are right about the trinity?
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Yes Hell, and by logical deduction, the immortality of the soul. Political neutrality (the theory not the practice) and abstinence from armed conflict, which although scripturally correct it is quite impractical when faced with real live evil. The Trinity is somewhat irrelevant, as it has little bearing on the true “nature” of God, but I think on balance they are right on this. Most of the rest (the cross, images, Christmas, Easter, birthdays, saluting the flag etc, etc) are also essentially irrelevant, what does any of it really matter? What really matters is the mandate that demands the surrender of one’s conscience to a body of men in Brooklyn, and that outweighs everything else.
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What apostates fail to recognize is...
by nananana inyou can cut & paste all the excerpts from articles you want...you can leak all the boe letters, you can pretend to be witnesses and come to the conventions and meetings...but.
no other organization can begin to rival the success and magnitude of the prophecy found in mt 24:14. so apostates....don't waste your time spending countless hours digging up articles and reading books to convince yourself to turn away from jh's organization.
no matter what "evidence" you find you cannot ignore the obvious fulfillment of matthew 24:14.. .
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And Brazil is among those counties where 90% of JWs preach!
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What apostates fail to recognize is...
by nananana inyou can cut & paste all the excerpts from articles you want...you can leak all the boe letters, you can pretend to be witnesses and come to the conventions and meetings...but.
no other organization can begin to rival the success and magnitude of the prophecy found in mt 24:14. so apostates....don't waste your time spending countless hours digging up articles and reading books to convince yourself to turn away from jh's organization.
no matter what "evidence" you find you cannot ignore the obvious fulfillment of matthew 24:14.. .
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I don’t know if nananana reviews his/her own posts now and again, but just in case I thought I would add a few numbers to the Mat 24.14 prophecy as I know that Jehovah’s Witnesses love their numbers. Less than 1% of Jehovah’s Witnesses preach in 40 countries that contain over half of the world’s population. At the other end of the scale over 90% of Jehovah’s Witnesses preach in 45 countries that contain less than a third of the world’s population. That doesn’t seem like an “obvious fulfilment” of Mat 24.14 to me. (Figures taken from the 2012 Yearbook).
As a new, and relatively infrequent poster on this forum, I don’t know all the etiquette, nor much of what has gone before. But I would like to say that I found the tread http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/160509/1/Warren-Schroeder-from-Bethel-on-Freddy-Kline-and-the-apostate-books to be extremely informative and enlightening, and would like to thank all those who contributed to it. It really was amazing.
And finally, a question. Why are so many so hostile to posters like nananana and Recovery? It doesn’t seem necessary to me. They will grow old and die waiting for Armageddon, and I feel sorry for them. Humouring their rants would seem a better strategy to me.
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Research survey: ExJW please Complete
by scuba inmy current research is to find an efficient way for mental health providers to treat ex-jws.
please complete the survey below.. thanks in advance.
steve.
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Ultimate Axiom
Done.
However, one of your questions needs qualification. While I did go through a brief period about a year after I left when I seriously considered returning, it did not recur, and now never will.
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Crisis of Conscience PDF
by loosie ini thought i saw on here a link for the online version of crisis of conscience.
i thought i marked it but now i can't find it.
luci.
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After reading CofC I had my doubts as to whether In Search Of Christian Freedom would be worth reading - I had abandoned Christianity a long time ago. But I found it equally absorbing and highlighted further the gap between what Christ was all about and what Jehovah's Witnesses now are. I wouldn't chose between them, they are both brilliant.
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Organizational Chart of Jehovah's Witnesses
by cobaltcupcake ina friend of mine posted this on facebook.
it made me spit diet pepsi all over my screen!.
http://i.imgur.com/zrdgx.jpg.
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I thought former JWs were under Satan, so it's nice to see he's my peer. Also missing are the angels, they report directly to the GB if I'm not mistaken.